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The Ridgewell Effect
Topic Started: Mar 24 2010, 10:47 PM (610 Views)
BornBlueDieBlue
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He has done a decent job and im not critiscising him for tonights defeat but maybe in the summer Eck could bring in a quality left back, maybe this would settle the defence down as everyone would know there right positions
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blueblood
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:banghead: Thats all i have to say
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McLeish will be looking for a left back in the summer, its been reported by Tatts in the Mail quite a bit.

However, Ridgewell has had a great season for us there, and it would be a bit harsh to knock him for the commitment and effort shown in an unfamiliar position for him.
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Ridgewell has been brilliant.
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BornBlueDieBlue
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if people bother to read i have not critiscised ridgewell

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It reads like you are blaming him for recent performances, when its been the back 4 as a collective, partiularly the 2 in the middle. We obviously need a new, natural left back but I think singling out Ridgewell after his contribution this season isn't fair. Thats all
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thank you for a constructive reply
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BornBlueDieBlue
Mar 24 2010, 11:58 PM
if people bother to read i have not critiscised ridgewell

Mate that the big problem on these boards,
You cannot say anything that is vaguely critical of anything blue,
It will be taken and twisted out of context,
Its the reason some good fans are refusing to post ,
Mind you I seen one old head appeared last night.
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Lucky
Mar 25 2010, 06:36 AM
BornBlueDieBlue
Mar 24 2010, 11:58 PM
if people bother to read i have not critiscised ridgewell

Mate that the big problem on these boards,
You cannot say anything that is vaguely critical of anything blue,
It will be taken and twisted out of context,
Its the reason some good fans are refusing to post ,
Mind you I seen one old head appeared last night.

I took 12 months off this Forum because i could not stand to read all the negative posters....
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ESONEULB
Mar 25 2010, 06:56 AM
Lucky
Mar 25 2010, 06:36 AM
BornBlueDieBlue
Mar 24 2010, 11:58 PM
if people bother to read i have not critiscised ridgewell

Mate that the big problem on these boards,
You cannot say anything that is vaguely critical of anything blue,
It will be taken and twisted out of context,
Its the reason some good fans are refusing to post ,
Mind you I seen one old head appeared last night.

I took 12 months off this Forum because i could not stand to read all the negative posters....

I don't blame you, I've found myself giving this place a wide berth immediately after a defeat these days.

In response to the OP, yes, I think Eck will be going for a LB, although with a bit more experience and positional sense I think Ridgewell has the potential to become a decent full-back.
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Im very interested though as to why people dont post,
Are the opinions you call negative just as valid as any other,
I only speak for me but i try to make constructive comments win or lose ,but I will not go down the road of some posters that you cannot be a critic of the team or the manager.
Every one should be allowed an opinion,good or bad,then you agree or you dont,
I try to respect other posters but if I dont agree then I will say,
Its the venom and attacks that come when you disagree thats not nice,
Deep down ALL blues fans want the same,we just air our views in a different way.
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Lucky
Mar 25 2010, 07:17 AM
Im very interested though as to why people dont post,
Are the opinions you call negative just as valid as any other,
I only speak for me but i try to make constructive comments win or lose ,but I will not go down the road of some posters that you cannot be a critic of the team or the manager.
Every one should be allowed an opinion,good or bad,then you agree or you dont,
I try to respect other posters but if I dont agree then I will say,
Its the venom and attacks that come when you disagree thats not nice,
Deep down ALL blues fans want the same,we just air our views in a different way.

Well said Lucky **thumbup

Spot on!!
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BornBlueDieBlue
Mar 24 2010, 11:58 PM
if people bother to read i have not critiscised ridgewell

You'll get no constructive debate when you dare to criticise anything Blues.

Ridgewell is a centre back. He's not our first choice for those two positions. He's been playing left back as first choice in a role which is not his position. Anybody but a narrow-minded, rose-tinted spectacled football loonie would know you're speaking sense.

Also of late (in our relegation form P10 W2 D2 L5) it does not help that Ridgewell has had Fahey playing, supposedly, left midfield. When you are playing out of position and have an indisciplined waste of space in front of you then that's a recipe for poor results.

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bluenosekev
Mar 25 2010, 07:27 AM
Lucky
Mar 25 2010, 07:17 AM
Im very interested though as to why people dont post,
Are the opinions you call negative just as valid as any other,
I only speak for me but i try to make constructive comments win or lose ,but I will not go down the road of some posters that you cannot be a critic of the team or the manager.
Every one should be allowed an opinion,good or bad,then you agree or you dont,
I try to respect other posters but if I dont agree then I will say,
Its the venom and attacks that come when you disagree thats not nice,
Deep down ALL blues fans want the same,we just air our views in a different way.

Well said Lucky **thumbup

Spot on!!

i'll second that **thumbup
something i always find bizarre is that people seem to know what's going to happen when, in truth, they've no more idea than you or i. we will beat so and so, we will be signing this player or that... etc
we all just share opinions on here but some think that if you stress that what you're staying is absolute fact and not opinion it means it's true! as i say, bizarre!
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Mar 25 2010, 07:52 AM
BornBlueDieBlue
Mar 24 2010, 11:58 PM
if people bother to read i have not critiscised ridgewell

You'll get no constructive debate when you dare to criticise anything Blues.

Ridgewell is a centre back. He's not our first choice for those two positions. He's been playing left back as first choice in a role which is not his position. Anybody but a narrow-minded, rose-tinted spectacled football loonie would know you're speaking sense.

Also of late (in our relegation form P10 W2 D2 L5) it does not help that Ridgewell has had Fahey playing, supposedly, left midfield. When you are playing out of position and have an indisciplined waste of space in front of you then that's a recipe for poor results.

you almost back up my other point on this thread perfectly Lowdham.

nothing wrong with opinion at all but to describe a player as 'an indisciplined waste of space' is just going to rile many posters.

i think what many miss is the fact that we have a squad which is incomplete to compete consistently at this level. they've over-achieved this season and Fahey is part of the same squad that has over-achieved as he is part of the squad who have lost 3 of our last 5 games!

Fahey is an effective midfielder who is being played on the left, not his best position but we have to work with the players we have at this time. so both he and Ridge have been played out of position because of our needs... surely the same opinion of their performances out of position should be afforded to them both.

back to Ridgewell, he's done a great job at left-back but is not a left-back and nor should he - he's not even built like one! hopefully we will bring in someone for this position in the summer which will give us 3 centre-backs to choose from.
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Mar 25 2010, 07:52 AM
BornBlueDieBlue
Mar 24 2010, 11:58 PM
if people bother to read i have not critiscised ridgewell

You'll get no constructive debate when you dare to criticise anything Blues.

Ridgewell is a centre back. He's not our first choice for those two positions. He's been playing left back as first choice in a role which is not his position. Anybody but a narrow-minded, rose-tinted spectacled football loonie would know you're speaking sense.

Also of late (in our relegation form P10 W2 D2 L5) it does not help that Ridgewell has had Fahey playing, supposedly, left midfield. When you are playing out of position and have an indisciplined waste of space in front of you then that's a recipe for poor results.

As i see it criticism is fine if explained in a constructive manner. having read numerous posts of yours and the outright abuse you have posted over a period of time against players like Bent, etc I question how is that constructive ? your description of Fahey in the above post is another example. in fact its got to the stage where almost anyone on here knows exactly what your posts will say before reading them.

there are others as well who offer nothing but repetitive criticisms of players, manager, club. without taking the time to explain why they think that way.

As penguin says there are those that take their own opinion as FACT. which needs no debate.
then there are the one's who make up stuff to post and claim its true.

this place used to be a place to have a laugh and joke where you could discuss the players, games etc and it was all good humoured. and not taken too seriously.

back on topic I think Ridgewell has done a fantastic job helping out at LB. but we do need a specialised LB in the summer.
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PenguinBlue
Mar 25 2010, 08:02 AM
lowdham bluenose
Mar 25 2010, 07:52 AM
BornBlueDieBlue
Mar 24 2010, 11:58 PM
if people bother to read i have not critiscised ridgewell

You'll get no constructive debate when you dare to criticise anything Blues.

Ridgewell is a centre back. He's not our first choice for those two positions. He's been playing left back as first choice in a role which is not his position. Anybody but a narrow-minded, rose-tinted spectacled football loonie would know you're speaking sense.

Also of late (in our relegation form P10 W2 D2 L5) it does not help that Ridgewell has had Fahey playing, supposedly, left midfield. When you are playing out of position and have an indisciplined waste of space in front of you then that's a recipe for poor results.

you almost back up my other point on this thread perfectly Lowdham.

nothing wrong with opinion at all but to describe a player as 'an indisciplined waste of space' is just going to rile many posters.

i think what many miss is the fact that we have a squad which is incomplete to compete consistently at this level. they've over-achieved this season and Fahey is part of the same squad that has over-achieved as he is part of the squad who have lost 3 of our last 5 games!

Fahey is an effective midfielder who is being played on the left, not his best position but we have to work with the players we have at this time. so both he and Ridge have been played out of position because of our needs... surely the same opinion of their performances out of position should be afforded to them both.

back to Ridgewell, he's done a great job at left-back but is not a left-back and nor should he - he's not even built like one! hopefully we will bring in someone for this position in the summer which will give us 3 centre-backs to choose from.

Penguin when I refer to Fahey being indisciplined I am referring positionally. He is picked as a wide left midfielder and he constantly comes into the middle and even strays over to the right for no reason. That positional indiscipline does not help Ridgewell (the subject of this thread) one bit.
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Mar 25 2010, 08:37 AM

Penguin when I refer to Fahey being indisciplined I am referring positionally. He is picked as a wide left midfielder and he constantly comes into the middle and even strays over to the right for no reason. That positional indiscipline does not help Ridgewell (the subject of this thread) one bit.

Lowdham i know what you mean when you say indisciplined.

do you know the instructions the player has been given? do you know that he hasn't been asked to come inside (his stronger game) rather than try to go out on the left.

in fact this is a tactic many clubs are adopting... asking players to play opposite sides and come in on the defender's weaker side. i'm not saying this is that Fahey has been asked to do because i don't know. neither do you.

you see, regardless of your thoughts on McLeish, he earns his living in the top flight of English football and currently he team, expected to be in a relegation dogfight, are sitting in the top half of the table. you might call this luck but i would prefer to think it's because of his ability as a manager.

so if he keeps picking Fahey then he (and his staff) must see something that you are clearly missing. Keith Fahey is a hard-working player who has not played at this level before. prior to coming here he was playing in Ireland, hardly a hotbed of league football... yet so many Irish players have made it in the Prem because of their consistency and their hard-working mentality that ensures they keep performing at the best of their ability.

perhaps that's why we've bought Fahey and, who knows Lowdham, he might just keep improving...
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Mar 25 2010, 08:47 AM
lowdham bluenose
Mar 25 2010, 08:37 AM

Penguin when I refer to Fahey being indisciplined I am referring positionally. He is picked as a wide left midfielder and he constantly comes into the middle and even strays over to the right for no reason. That positional indiscipline does not help Ridgewell (the subject of this thread) one bit.

Lowdham i know what you mean when you say indisciplined.

do you know the instructions the player has been given? do you know that he hasn't been asked to come inside (his stronger game) rather than try to go out on the left.


then for me that's worse. That is what I hate about our football of late with Fahey in the team.

Because he comes inside most of the time we are a narrow channeled team with no width - leading to boring congested football...and ineffective because of late we have not been performing. The unbeaten XI had width.
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Mar 25 2010, 08:55 AM
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Mar 25 2010, 08:47 AM
lowdham bluenose
Mar 25 2010, 08:37 AM

Penguin when I refer to Fahey being indisciplined I am referring positionally. He is picked as a wide left midfielder and he constantly comes into the middle and even strays over to the right for no reason. That positional indiscipline does not help Ridgewell (the subject of this thread) one bit.

Lowdham i know what you mean when you say indisciplined.

do you know the instructions the player has been given? do you know that he hasn't been asked to come inside (his stronger game) rather than try to go out on the left.


then for me that's worse. That is what I hate about our football of late with Fahey in the team.

Because he comes inside most of the time we are a narrow channeled team with no width - leading to boring congested football...and ineffective because of late we have not been performing. The unbeaten XI had width.

rubbish! Fahey has played in 26 games for Blues, either from the start or from the bench!

he was part of our winning run too!!!

surely a team plays to it's strengths... we have (for me) 2 out and out wide players in the team, and that's including McFadden who because of the lack of strikers is being asked to play a more central role - arguably his best position for some. the other is the young lade James O'Shea.

Larsson hasn't the pace and Fahey isn't a winger... neither is Gardner.
so we have to adapt our play to suit the players we have.

but you're intimating that Fahey is one of the main reasons our winning run has come to an end. you're wrong.

no team in our position, with our squad, can go on a winning run forever - players are tired, picking up niggling injuries and suspensions. putting this at the door of one player is wrong Lowdham. you don't like Fahey, that's fine but at least give him the respect he deserves...
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i'd go for Konchesky in summer probably.

Fridge does deserve massive praise for this season though
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The whole Ridgewell as left back discussion is one that will go on and on. I for one think he has done great this season and has been exactly what we have needed. However next season with better quality players in and around the team I think a proper quality left back will be needed. Don't get me wrong Ridge does great but for me doesn't get forward and support the midfield as much as he should. Thats probably just his mentality rather than a fault of his, I personally would go for the lad at Pompy Belhadj (think it's spelt like that) he for me does well defending but also is very dangerous going forward and in this league teams who have attack minded full backs seem to do well! My opinion of course
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Mar 25 2010, 01:20 PM
The whole Ridgewell as left back discussion is one that will go on and on. I for one think he has done great this season and has been exactly what we have needed. However next season with better quality players in and around the team I think a proper quality left back will be needed. Don't get me wrong Ridge does great but for me doesn't get forward and support the midfield as much as he should. Thats probably just his mentality rather than a fault of his, I personally would go for the lad at Pompy Belhadj (think it's spelt like that) he for me does well defending but also is very dangerous going forward and in this league teams who have attack minded full backs seem to do well! My opinion of course

I agree with both your evaluation of Ridgewell and signing Belhadj.
Like Lowdham says though i dont think it helps with Fahey in front of him, i dont want to be too critical but he dont offer much going forward or defensivly. To be honest McFadden offers us more defensivly when he plays that role.
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You do get debate if you constructively criticise blues, but year after year we less critical fans read the same posters spouting the same criticism. It was the old board, it was the old manager, now its the new board and the new manager, new players as scape goats. We just get fed up of the same people coming on after a defeat ripping into everyone and everything, we have heard it all from the same people for years, it does get tiresome.
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Mar 25 2010, 07:17 AM
Im very interested though as to why people dont post,
Are the opinions you call negative just as valid as any other,
I only speak for me but i try to make constructive comments win or lose ,but I will not go down the road of some posters that you cannot be a critic of the team or the manager.
Every one should be allowed an opinion,good or bad,then you agree or you dont,
I try to respect other posters but if I dont agree then I will say,
Its the venom and attacks that come when you disagree thats not nice,
Deep down ALL blues fans want the same,we just air our views in a different way.

In my case it has nothing to do with the validity of an opinion, though I implore you not get caught up in that nonsense. It's basically because it's exactly the same arguments we've heard a hundred times before, argued from exactly the same angles, with the added frustration of losing seemingly removing the last dregs of reason from the bulk of it. It's just tiresome.
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